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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Discussion with the French artist of Togolese descent Alex Ayivi in his studio near Paris. Alex Ayivi was born in &#8230;</p>
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<p><em>Discussion with the French artist of Togolese descent Alex Ayivi in his studio near Paris. </em></p>



<figure class="wp-block-image"><a href="https://www.artskop.com/black-figurative-painting-jess-au-soleil-jess-in-the-sun-572.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><img decoding="async" width="565" height="700" src="http://s960436671.onlinehome.fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/jessausoleil_80x100cm_2020-jpg-1.jpg" alt="Alex Ayivi, Jess Au Soleil (Jess In The Sun), 2021. 100 x 80 cm. Acrylic on canvas. Courtesy the artist. This work is available to collect. Find out more here" class="wp-image-26625" srcset="https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/jessausoleil_80x100cm_2020-jpg-1.jpg 565w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/jessausoleil_80x100cm_2020-jpg-1-484x600.jpg 484w" sizes="(max-width: 565px) 100vw, 565px" /></a><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Alex Ayivi, Jess Au Soleil (Jess In The Sun), 2021. 100 x 80 cm. Acrylic on canvas. Courtesy the artist. </figcaption></figure>



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<p class="has-drop-cap"><strong>Alex Ayivi</strong> was born in 1993 in France from Togolese parents and grew up near Paris. He is a French contemporary visual artist. He graduated from the <a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="Beaux-Arts de Bourges (opens in a new tab)" href="https://ensa-bourges.fr/index.php/fr/" target="_blank">Beaux-Arts de Bourges</a> and later from <a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="ENSAV La Cambre in Brussels (opens in a new tab)" href="https://www.lacambre.be/fr" target="_blank">ENSAV La Cambre in Brussels</a>, in 2018 in printmaking. In 2019, Ayivi benefited from the first residency of the Culture &amp; Diversity Foundation in collaboration with the Cité Internationale des Arts in Paris, where he exhibited his famous project <em>La</em> <em>MUA</em> for a month. </p>



<p>He also exhibited at <a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="the Centre de la Gravure de la Louvière (opens in a new tab)" href="https://www.centredelagravure.be/exhibition/congoverprnt-du-6-au-29-juillet/" target="_blank">the Centre de la Gravure de la Louvière</a> in Belgium. As a second-generation Togolese immigrant, his work explores Afrotopia, Pan-Africanism and family; subjects that are intertwined in an uninterrupted technical wandering. His work is multidisciplinary and borrows from drawing, silk-screening and painting. I met Alex Ayivi in his studio. This is the content of our discussion. </p>



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<figure class="wp-block-image"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" width="1024" height="512" src="http://s960436671.onlinehome.fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/thomassankarabillet-1024x512.jpg" alt="MUA Sankara" class="wp-image-25637" srcset="https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/thomassankarabillet-1024x512.jpg 1024w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/thomassankarabillet-600x300.jpg 600w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/thomassankarabillet-768x384.jpg 768w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em>Billet MUA Thomas Sankara</em>, 2019.<br><a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="Cliquez pour en savoir plus (opens in a new tab)" href="https://www.artskop.com/artist/alex-ayivi-248" target="_blank">Please click here to find out more.</a></figcaption></figure>



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<p><strong><em>Louise Thurin (L.T): Thank you for accepting this interview in your workspace, Alex. You graduated from the Beaux-arts de Bourges and ENSAV La Cambre in engraving and printmaking. At the end of your studies, you produced a particularly promising and acclaimed first project, &#8220;60 years is too much&#8221;.</em></strong></p>



<p><strong>Alex Ayivi (A.A):</strong> Thank you. <a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="&quot;60 Years is Too Much&quot; (opens in a new tab)" href="http://static1.fondationcultureetdiversite.org/documents/3/17/10/11/03/@/ayivi-alex-portfoliocd-alexandre-ayivi.pdf" target="_blank">&#8220;60 Years is Too Much&#8221;</a> was an anticipatory project based on the political crisis in Togo in 2017-1018. Following the dictatorial declarations of Faure Gnassingbé &#8211; in presidency since 2005 and &#8220;worthy&#8221; successor of his father Gnassingbé Eyadéma who ruled the country for 38 years &#8211; large-scale protests took place in Lomé with the slogan <strong>&#8220;50 years is too much&#8221;</strong>. The aim was to constitutionally prevent Faure from standing for a fourth consecutive presidential run in 2020. It was a familiar, daily, omnipresent subject. At home, we talked about politics all the time. I wanted to deal with the situation and contribute in my own way to this popular resistance movement.</p>



<p>The idea was to create the fictional character of a Togolese journalist and press illustrator called Kossi Sossou, who was killed in 2027 by the forces of law and order during yet another demonstration against the president &#8211; who would still be Faure Gnassingbé. I created his identity card, protest tools and a fictitious opposition party to which he was attached, the Ligue for Freedom. The party even had its own t-shirts.</p>



<p>The heart of the project are these silkscreens on cardboard. I attribute these works in this fiction to Kossi Sossou, who has them published in the major Togolese and French-speaking newspapers. </p>



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<figure class="wp-block-image"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" width="640" height="632" src="http://s960436671.onlinehome.fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/img_4273.jpg" alt="Alex ayivi studio" class="wp-image-26274" srcset="https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/img_4273.jpg 640w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/img_4273-600x593.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Alex Ayivi in the middle some of his works from the project &#8220;60 years is too much&#8221; made from silkscreen on cardboard. </figcaption></figure>



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<p><strong><em>L.T: Why did you choose to create with cardboard?</em></strong></p>



<p>A.A: It is a simple and beautiful medium. It reminds me of the roots, the resourcefulness, even the urgency &#8211; <em>&#8220;Quick, I&#8217;ll take what I have!&#8221;</em>of the signs of the demonstrations I saw organised in front of the Togo embassy in Paris. In <em>Dialogue interrompu</em>, we recognise Nana Akufo-Addo, the president of Ghana, Togo&#8217;s neighbour, by his small round glasses. On the left, of course, is Faure Gnassingbé with his youthful features. Back in 2017-2018 when Gnassingbé was scheming, Nana publicly and frontally opposed him. It is the image of a man I hope has integrity that I represented. </p>



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<figure class="wp-block-image"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" width="1024" height="721" src="http://s960436671.onlinehome.fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/dialogueinterrompu70x100cm2018-min-1024x721.jpg" alt="Dialogue interrompu (2018). " class="wp-image-26275" srcset="https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/dialogueinterrompu70x100cm2018-min-1024x721.jpg 1024w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/dialogueinterrompu70x100cm2018-min-600x423.jpg 600w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/dialogueinterrompu70x100cm2018-min-768x541.jpg 768w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em>Dialogue interrompu</em>, 2018.<br></figcaption></figure>



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<p>A.A: It&#8217;s a project that was made at a distance from its subject. I was inspired by the images broadcast in a loop on continuous news channels &#8211; hence these effects of superposition, of fragmentation. I was very inspired by the format of the plasma TV screen and if you look closely at this series, you see the scrolling banner motif appearing repeatedly.</p>



<p><strong><em>L.T: Now that it&#8217;s said, some of the motifs remind me of the front pages of Jeune Afrique and the photomontages of election results…. Who are the people in the crowd behind the two men? Supporters plebisciting Gnassingbé? Or Togolese opponents who want to overthrow him? </em></strong></p>



<p>A.A: It is not clear, but one can make out signs superimposed on them &#8211; which also act as a mise en abime of the medium. </p>



<p><em><strong>L.T: Your characters are represented with closed eyes, blind &#8211; and mute: no words, no chanted signs. Only a kind of bubble, in which you do not write.</strong></em></p>



<p>A.A: Yes, they are empty bubbles. As a nod to the comic strip, which I like very much, but I consider that a text would focus attention too easily. That&#8217;s all you might see. </p>



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<figure class="wp-block-image"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" width="1024" height="719" src="http://s960436671.onlinehome.fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/crise70x100cm2018-1024x719.jpg" alt="Crise 2018 - Alex Ayivi." class="wp-image-26276" srcset="https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/crise70x100cm2018-1024x719.jpg 1024w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/crise70x100cm2018-600x422.jpg 600w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/crise70x100cm2018-768x540.jpg 768w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em>Crise</em>, 2018.<br></figcaption></figure>



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<p>The work<strong><em> Crise </em></strong>&#8211;<em> Crisis</em> &#8211; depicts a street in Lomé on a day of protest. There is an armed soldier and a military van. Superimposed on the picture is a profile of President Faure, and at the bottom, a scrolling strip of news channels. On the right, there is a sort of bubble and a pie chart, which obviously evokes polling figures and election results. I like all these forms of visual dynamics which TV news are full of these days. There&#8217;s beauty, I think, in PowerPoint, screen splits, little logos in the top right-hand corner…</p>



<p>I am pessimistic about Togolese political developments. Elections are always held, well or not. The opposition never manages to stop this charade operated by the military to ensure the illegitimate president in place. Sadly, I feel that I have done this work of foresight: we are approaching <strong>&#8220;60 years is too long&#8221;</strong>. In the same way, the utopia of the Monnaie Unique Africaine (MUA) &#8211; <em>African Single Currency</em> &#8211;  is likely to remain a utopia. There is a project for a common West African currency, but it is not happening. </p>



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<figure class="wp-block-image"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" width="638" height="636" src="http://s960436671.onlinehome.fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/img_4274.jpg" alt="MUA Alex Ayivi" class="wp-image-26277" srcset="https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/img_4274.jpg 638w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/img_4274-150x150.jpg 150w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/img_4274-600x598.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 638px) 100vw, 638px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Monnaie Unique Africaine ( MUA) &#8211; Single African Currency (SAC) project developed by Alex Ayivi and presented at Cité Internationale des Arts in Paris in 2019. </figcaption></figure>



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<p><strong><em>L.T: Tell us about this second project. In 2019, you were the laureate of the first residency of the </em></strong><a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="Fondation Culture et Diversité (opens in a new tab)" href="https://www.citedesartsparis.net/fr/exposition-la-mua-alex-ayivi" target="_blank"><strong><em>Fondation Culture et Diversité</em></strong></a><strong><em> in collaboration with the </em></strong><a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="Cité internationale des Arts (opens in a new tab)" href="https://www.citedesartsparis.net/fr/exposition-la-mua-alex-ayivi" target="_blank"><strong><em>Cité internationale des Arts</em></strong></a><strong><em> for which you propose the MUA.</em></strong></p>



<p>A.A:  The idea was to create a common pan-African currency that would replace the colonial currency of the CFA Franc. It is a project with a Francophone prism and it is not meant to be perfect. I have put together a non-exhaustive list of African political figures from the 20th century &#8211; some classics and some more atypical figures like <a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="Ellen Johnson Sirleaf (opens in a new tab)" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Johnson_Sirleaf" target="_blank">Ellen Johnson Sirleaf</a> of Liberia or <a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="Julius Nyerere (opens in a new tab)" href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Nyerere" target="_blank">Julius Nyerere</a> of Tanzania. All are worth 99 MUA. In this monetary fiction, I did not want to rank the personalities on the currencies.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading"><a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label="&quot;Here, give me a cash ticket! - What do you want, 100, 200, 300? Some florins? What do you want?&quot;  (opens in a new tab)" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOEooA43-Bw" target="_blank"><em>&#8220;Here, give me a cash ticket! &#8211; What do you want, 100, 200, 300? Some florins? What do you want?&#8221; </em></a></h5>



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<p><strong><em>L.T: For the opening of the exhibition at the Cité internationale, you did a performance: a distribution of paper money that was quite successful, apparently. The scene reminds me both of mafiosi films and dystopian photographs of German hyperinflation.  </em></strong></p>



<p>I signed the money with a stamp. To dry the ink, we had to fan them. It was a <a rel="noreferrer noopener" aria-label=" (opens in a new tab)" href="https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw9vh1VDd-_/" target="_blank">banana republic atmosphere</a>. They were so popular that I even had bundles of them stolen during the exhibition! <em>[laughs]</em> Thomas Sankara greenbacks are now collectors&#8217; items.</p>



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<figure class="wp-block-image"><a href="https://www.artskop.com/artworks.html?artist_ids=248&amp;availability=487,489" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" width="630" height="636" src="http://s960436671.onlinehome.fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/img_4265.jpg" alt="Alex Ayivi studio" class="wp-image-26278" srcset="https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/img_4265.jpg 630w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/img_4265-150x150.jpg 150w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/img_4265-594x600.jpg 594w" sizes="(max-width: 630px) 100vw, 630px" /></a><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Alex Ayivi in his studio with a series of works.</figcaption></figure>



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<p><em><strong>L.T: After the success of the MUA in 2019, you took a break from creating. Now you are back and there is a clear technical break in your work. </strong></em></p>



<p>A.A: Yes, I went back to painting after years of silk-screening. I now concentrate on portraits in dark tones.  I never spoke directly about my intimate self in my previous works. This is my cousin. Here, my little brother. Here is my sister &#8211; and behind her my little brother again. I often draw him, he&#8217;s a good model.</p>



<p><em><strong>L.T: All your characters have closed eyes. In these paintings, they emanate a certain serenity, relaxation, breathing… They are young contemporary Afros who are resting from their daily life, giving themselves a moment of peace. </strong></em></p>



<p>A.A: I&#8217;ve been using the closed-eye pattern for quite a long time. It just came about. For me, it&#8217;s an almost deathlike iconography. The porous ones of eternal sleep and daily rest. The figures I drew for the MUA already had closed eyes &#8211; and in fact, are dead. </p>



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<figure class="wp-block-image"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" width="740" height="914" src="http://s960436671.onlinehome.fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/capturehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.png" alt="1/1, 2020. Alex Ayivi." class="wp-image-25608" srcset="https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/capturehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.png 740w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/capturehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-486x600.png 486w" sizes="(max-width: 740px) 100vw, 740px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em>1/1</em>, 2020. Acrylic on canvas.<br></figcaption></figure>



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<p>A.A: I see these family portraits as an album &#8211; an album of images that would allow the faces of the first family generation on French ground to be passed on to the next… These representations of people from the African diaspora resonate more generally with current societal issues, at a time of debates concerning &#8220;separatism&#8221;. What place do the children of the African diaspora have in French society today? What does it mean to be French in 2020 ?</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" width="1024" height="696" src="https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/alex-ayivi-death-express240x160cm-1-1024x696.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-29390" srcset="https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/alex-ayivi-death-express240x160cm-1-1024x696.jpg 1024w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/alex-ayivi-death-express240x160cm-1-600x408.jpg 600w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/alex-ayivi-death-express240x160cm-1-768x522.jpg 768w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/alex-ayivi-death-express240x160cm-1-1536x1044.jpg 1536w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/alex-ayivi-death-express240x160cm-1-2048x1393.jpg 2048w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em>Alex Ayivi, Death Express (2024)</em></figcaption></figure>



<p>From 2022 to 2023, you were an artist-in-residence at Le Consulat, a period marked by your participation in&nbsp;<em>100% L’Expo 2022</em>, which revealed a new evolution in your style. Now based at Atelier Œ in Montreuil, how would you describe this transition and the impact this period had on your artistic practice?</p>



<p>That stage was crucial: following an artist residency at Place de Clichy, I joined Le Consulat Voltaire in 2022 after taking part in&nbsp;<em>100% L’Expo</em>. Le Consulat was my first “open” shared studio — a space where I worked alongside other artists. It felt like a return to art school, and the experience proved to be particularly enriching.</p>



<p>During that time, I drew inspiration from reading, especially&nbsp;<em>The Grammar of Fantasy</em>&nbsp;(1973) by Gianni Rodari, a book that deeply influenced my work. It led me to explore a metaphysical approach to painting on wooden panels, questioning the essence of comics and the narrative codes they rely on.</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img decoding="async" loading="lazy" width="1024" height="731" src="https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/vue-dexpo-alex-ayivi-1024x731.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-29397" srcset="https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/vue-dexpo-alex-ayivi-1024x731.jpg 1024w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/vue-dexpo-alex-ayivi-600x429.jpg 600w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/vue-dexpo-alex-ayivi-768x549.jpg 768w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/vue-dexpo-alex-ayivi-1536x1097.jpg 1536w, https://www.artskop.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/vue-dexpo-alex-ayivi-2048x1463.jpg 2048w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em>Installation view. Picture by : Claire Dorn</em></figcaption></figure>



<p>As we speak, you were recently announced as the winner of the Traversées Africaines Prize, granting you the opportunity to present a solo exhibition at Galerie Mariton in Saint-Ouen-sur-Seine. Congratulations! Could you tell us about what went on behind the scenes in preparing for this exhibition?</p>



<p>This solo show is a chance to bring together my painting practice and my wooden sculptures. I developed these sculptural pieces to go beyond the traditional format of the canvas, creating a dialogue between interior and exterior elements.</p>



<p>The first steps of this approach emerged at the end of 2023 in Lille, in collaboration with the Centre Wallonie-Bruxelles, where I presented Superbanc (2023) — my first sculpture directly inspired by my painting practice.</p>



<p><strong>Discover Alex Ayivi’s work in the exhibition Hi-Dee-Hi at Galerie Mariton in Saint-Ouen-sur-Seine, from May 13 to June 1, 2025, as part of the Traversées Africaines program.</strong></p>



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